he has got the fact that jeff whelmingly people want to tax the rich. even though it might be bad for the economy or bad for small businesses. it's a political win for him. so he has every interest in dragging this thing out. and hitting republicans over the head. i somewhat disagree with charles. i'm not sure he is going to take the leap over the cliff. one possible point of compromise on taxes might be the buffet rule, where you put a minimum tax on people who earn just $1 million and above. i could see republicans possibly swallowing that. but not sure >> john: charles, lately there has been talk, too, that the republicans may give on tax rate increases if they can hold the president's feet to the fire over spending. when the debt ceiling comes up next, there is talk among democrats hey, mr. president, we will support you if you want to invoke the 14th amendment and call debt unconst. to you think it will come to that? >> the president disavowed intention. he is committed to the legal position you can't go to 14th amendment route. on the other hand h